Mozilla's gonna pull a Google on Firefox, calling it now: https://www.i-programmer.info/news/86-browsers/12838-firefox-premium-coming-this-fall.html
hey guys? guys? you think maybe creating this single program that has to do literally everything from implementing a filesystem to 3 different virtual machines to parsers for god knows how many file formats may have been an inherently bad idea that would inevitably concentrate power within the like 3 organizations on the planet that can actually afford to maintain this kind of clusterfuck?
There's no reasonable way out of this either. If we go with some donation model and assume that 1 in 1000 users donate (this seems like a stretch to me) those users would need to donate like 1.5k/yr to keep mozilla funded at the level it's at now when the engine it's competing against has the backing of both Google and MS.
@ari may I ask how did you calculate that?
@charlag Revenue was from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation I had to search for a long time for usage numbers because mozilla doesn't publish anything official but I eventually found a reddit post somewhere that put it at ~360m which strikes me as a pretty generous estimate. According to this site: https://internetworldstats.com/stats.htm it should be more like 220m since firefox has ~5% market share. Divided by a thousand that gives us 360k possible donors.
@charlag Half a billion in revenue over 360k possible donors = $1388 per donor per year to sustain mozilla's current income.
@charlag The numbers are back of the envelope as hell but that's the best I can do 🤷
@ari what, doesn't publish anything, they publish a lot, I did the report even.
There are two PDFs in the end:
@ari sorry, you meant usage, cannot read
@charlag You're fine :)
@ari I believe if they were not Silicon Valley based with expensive CEOs, weird purchases (Pocket) and random VR experiments, they wouldn't spend as much. You still need shitton of money to compete with Google ofc and people just won't donate that. They won't pay that either IMO.
I work at company with arguably the most generous free and paid plans on the market and we also compete with Google and I say it's possible but for them it's different ofc.
@charlag "You still need shitton of money to compete with Google ofc and people just won't donate that. They won't pay that either IMO." is essentially my thesis. The web has become so bloated and awful that it's impossible to even hope for any community driven presence.
@ari and besides WASM and workers things are awful anyway! IndexedDB is a *horror*. CSS is complex and unpredictable as hell. JS is just right to write bloated stuff. Crypto is async and unreliable.
Wanna make zoomable content? You're out of lack, pal, in our platform of future it's not possible.
And there's a long list of half-baked non-standard Chrome stuff.
@charlag And yet we live in this current hellscape because of advertising and tracking. Consider how youtube *could have* worked: you click on a video, it opens your computer's video player.
@ari I'm not sure it would be a terribly good UX tbh.
We had a chance for a common platform and now it's slipping away.
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